3D Mud Client

suggestion:

for windows users, the steps for installing and using
swlpc, are as follows:

YOU HAVE TO BE RUNNING LINUX. ==

1. Go the swlpc site http://swlpc.sourceforge.net/?q=downloads, click the download link and download the 'mlib & swlpc' package.

2. Did I mention you need to be running Linux?

3. You'll need "Wine", a program that allows you to open windows executable files. Every linux version has a slight variation on how to install this program but the easiest way is to use the internal commands on the terminal window of linux. On ubuntu the command is

sudo apt-get install wine

4. The method for running Wine to open an executable differs, but generally speaking, you

-open the terminal window for Linux
-type in the following:
wine /home/your login name/the location of the file you want wine to open/the name of the file. for example,

wine /home/timbucktwo/Desktop/aerodynamic.exe

5. now you change the directory to the swlpcsourceforge folder, where ever you've downloaded it to. desktop is the easiest location for finding new downloads. in the terminal window type thusly:

cd /home/your login name/the location of the swlpcsourceforge folder

for example,

cd /home/timbucktwo/Desktop/swlpcsourceforge/

6. Now type

configure

or type

bash configure

or type (there's several options, you just have to find the one that works with your version of linux)

./configure --host='i686-pc-linux

7. Now you're going to "make" the file. It produces an executable file that requires a gcc compiler. If the compiler is not on your linux system, download the whole kit and kaboodle from here http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gcc/gcc-2.95.3.tar.gz
unzip it, of course.

(still trying to get the gcc compilers installed. seems this particular version of ubuntu is not a recognized meta-package. i chose ubuntu studio because it has lots of stuff i might need for game creation (art, music, video software), but it's still not recognized as a ubuntu linux version. when i figure out this problem, i'll post the next step... hopefully.

I dont understand what you need wine for. Are you trying to run the mud client on Linux with wine? If so I'd be surprised if that worked.

Regarding 'gcc' strange Ubuntu doesn't have it. I have yet to try a Linux distribution that doesn't have it. Eg I've tried Redhat, Fedora and Knoppix. I thought Ubuntu was a much bigger Linux distribution than Knoppix.

i'm on kubuntu now. at least it doesn't make that gosh awful whoosh, whir sound with my cpu fan. will find out shortly what software it still needs to run swlpc

well don't you run your wizardclient.exe from linux? if so, it isn't going to run unless you have wine to open it. same for the 3dmudclient.exe package. can't even open it without wine. doesn't it need to go in the swlpc folder? on the swlpc package it says to put the client in the swlpc folder. can't do that unless it's been unzipped and the .exe file run so your swlpc can access it.

apparently the version of ubuntu i was using, is not officially recognized because it doesn't have things like gcc. :D can't even update it. had to uninstall. i'm installing kubuntu with wubi instead, due to the fact it has a friendlier learning curve ... i hope.

found info on gnu compiler collection.
what compiler do i need ? c? or lite c?

look at all the gcc compilers!
http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gcc/

oh, nevermind. installing the whole thing.

how in the sam hill did you make this game? lol
that's the biggest maze of software, i have ever seen.
you can't do this because it's linux.
you can't do that because it's windows.
i have no clue how you even managed to make it in the first place!

You need to understand client and server. 99% of all muds run on a Linux server (including SWLPC) but most people connecting to the mud will be running windows. Therefore the client (eg putty) will be running on windows. So the client (eg WOW, this 3D mud client) is usually written in Windows while the server is usually Linux. You need to think in terms of client and server as totally different things.

so when and if, i ever get swlpc running, it's just the server for the 3dmud or the mud? i thought it was the brains of the game, not the server.

guess i'm even more confused than i thought.

the server is all the data together?

and an update. this one didn't have gcc either.
had to add it. this was what i did

sudo apt-get install gcc build-essential

didn't do any good. this linux is the third one i've encountered that doesn't have runit or runit2 and refuses to install them under the pretext that it would break something else. so apparently, they have an equivalent function that does what runit does, but i don't know what that would be.

this is not looking very good. it seems the only way to use swlpc is if you're running an older version of linux. how old, is the question. and i think wubi only installs the latest builds of whichever version you pick from their list, which is ubuntu-based, only. for example, i can't install knoppix with wubi and it probably wouldn't help if i could since it may have also done away with runit on its newest versions.
how old was the linux you used to build swlpc?

tried chmoding it

@ubuntu:~/Desktop/swlpcsourceforge$ chmod +x runit2

@ubuntu:~/Desktop/swlpcsourceforge$ ./runit2
shat: no process killed
bin/shat: error while loading shared libraries: liblpvm.so: cannot open shared o bject file: No such file or directory

@ubuntu:~/Desktop/swlpcsourceforge$ runit2
bash: runit2: command not found

@ubuntu:~/Desktop/swlpcsourceforge$ bash runit2
shat: no process killed
bin/shat: error while loading shared libraries: liblpvm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

tried the same command line as the make and configure and lo and behold, it didnt give me an error message, it just changed lines and sat there. so now i'm trying to test if i did it right, but can't figure how to use telnet on this thing

@ubuntu:~/Desktop/swlpcsourceforge$ ./runit2 --host='1686-pc-linux
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nothing on the web about accessing telnet on kubuntu.
tried using the terminal window, and typed in telnet 3302,
didn't work.

telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Invalid argument

and telnet open 3302, didn't work.
telnet: could not resolve open/3302: Name or service not known

i'm guessing the runit2 thing didn't work afterall.

Did the 'configure' and 'make' go ok? Sounds like its running the .so files I compiled on Knoppix which wouldn't be compatible with Ubuntu.

okay, so it looks i'm gonna have to run knoppix, regardless. what version of knoppix are you running and what packages do you have installed to it? to save me the trouble of having to guess what it needs.

No, if you run 'configure' then 'make' it will compile SWLPC on whatever Linux distribution you are using.

well here i am again. :D
does debian have the same stuff as knoppix? isn't knoppix like
a smaller version of debian?

lol riiiiiiiiight. :) you realize (most of this due to my ineptness when it comes to linux), i've installed and uninstalled, knoppix, ubuntu studio, kubuntu, puppy linux, damn small linux, colinux and LINA, as well as wubi and vmware (some of them TWICE and vmware 4 times). i think i'll play it safe and just partition my c drive and stick knoppix on it. trying to run it in vmware was a mistake. vmware is too small. i can't afford the other one, as it's nearly 100 dollars and as i mentioned before, hubby's still in the testing process for the post office. i have 2 cpus, so this shouldn't be a problem (famous last words). one of them is running recovery (on the d drive). the other is running windows (on the c drive). the c drive is huge. windows is only using 64 gigabytes. there's still 162 gigabytes left. that should sufficient for knoppix, yes?

and if all it takes is to configure and make, then it shoulda worked but it didn't :)

To run the 3d mud client with SWLPC you've got 3 options:

1. Have one PC and run vmware with Linux and run SWLPC on VMWare and run the 3d mud client on windows

2. Buy a second computer and run Linux on it and run SWLPC and connect to it with the 3d mud client on your windows computer

3. Buy a wolfpaw account and run SWLPC over the internet and connect with the 3D mud client

By running SWLPC on Linux on a partition with one PC you won't be able to run the mud client and SWLPC at the same time.

ohhhh, i see the problem.
unfortunately, vmware player won't boot knoppix. says it isn't a valid file even though i've downloaded it several times.
i have a second computer but it has 2 windows on it, my old one, and a newer one. if i installed linux on the newer one, the older one, would be inaccessible. too bad wubi won't do a knoppix install. it only uses ubuntu. i've been reading on doing the same thing with grub, but it has to be done manually and requires i know things like what they mean by the ROOT OF THE NFTS and where the partition table is. which i'm not familar with yet.

wubi gave me access to windows at the same time, i just had to click on the little hard drive box and it would pop up my windows desktop.

Looks interesting. Never heard of it before.

VMWare workstation do you mean? I'm not familiar with vmware player.

no, just player. player is the same thing as workstation but smaller. i could try the workstation demo but when it expires, won't i lose all my data? wonder if the open source community has something similar to workstation?

I know microsoft have got something like vmware but I don't think its free. The only vmware software I've used is the workstation so I can't really give you any advice regarding the other vmware software you are trying.

it asks me how big to make the virtual disk, what size do you suggest if i have
150 gigs of free diskspace and 1gig ram and 1900meg page file space available? windows stll has to be able to run 3d mudclient, wizardclient, email and browser, so

see my comment directly above this one

For knoppix I think I had it quite small. About 100meg. Probably more than you need.